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The PS3 design does look more appealling (IMHO) - and they quash the backwards compatibility issue straight off the bat which you would have thought was a no-brainer. It would be good to have images of the two that were to the same scale. Nice comparison work though.

Yeah I like the PS3 design much better. I’ve added a rough size comparison to try and get an idea of relative scale.

I’m really hoping the Xbox 360 will be backwards compatible… because there’s no way I can fit a new console into my loungeroom without getting rid of an older one.

That’s outstanding work - it is a bit bizarre how the Xbox 360 is concave and the PS3 convex. Would save space, one on the other maybe. Seems wireless controllers will be a big point of difference from current models, don’t know whether it is more cosmetic than a substantial change though. The marketing campaigns between the two couldn’t have been more different - if MS spent their marketing money on the console dev or game dev I wonder what the consequences would be.

The PS3 seems to have a lot more to it. Like they have some mega tricks up their sleeves. As an Xbox lover. I’m concerned. Very Concerned.

As for the shape. That has never bothered me. I just hope they have anti theft prevention on them this time. Someway I can call MS and say, look if anyone logs into Live from my Xbox. Just know that it is stolen, and can you please track it, so that I may banish them to somewhere behind bars.

The Xbox 360 reminds me of a PC box and the PS3 looks like a Bose sound system. If it just came down to looks I’d prefer a PS3 sitting next to my HD TV.

Seen the NINTENDO Revolution shots this morning? It’s about the size of an external CD-Drive.

Oooh boxy!

I can’t see how that is backwards compatible though. It’s unlikely that they’ve got a vertical slot-loading CD drive that allows you to insert the tiny GameCube discs as well as full size discs.

(btw. I’m not anti-Nintendo, I’ll happily add them to the comparison table above as soon as they release some system specs.)

It’s actually backwards compatible all the way back to NES according to gamesindustry.biz, by way of emulation. You’ll be able to download Nintendo’s back catalogue apparently.

I’m not sure how they’ll handle the tiny GameCube discs, but they claim it’s compatible with GameCube games as well.

You may recall nintendo hiring emulation programmers a while back.

Tellingly, one of the key announced features of the Revolution is nothing to do with next-generation games at all, but rather to do with Nintendo’s back catalogue - all of which will be playable on the new system, right from the NES through to the N64 and the GameCube.

The console will boast 512MB of on-board flash memory storage which can be expanded by the addition of industry standard SD memory cards. This storage is expected to be used to store NES, SNES and N64 titles which can be downloaded over the internet to the system, as well as for other purposes which the firm has alluded to but not yet revealed.

http://gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=8880

There’s what looks like a little mini-CD draw on the left hand side, middle of the console. I’d bet that’s where the GameCube discs go.

Nintendo states in their Revolution press release that “an innovative self-loading media bay will play both 12-centimeter optical discs used for the new system as well as Nintendo GameCube discs. You can also equip a small, self-contained attachment to play movies and other DVD content.”

It’s speculation, due to poor communication on Sony’s part, but:
Check out the Killzone 2 video footage on PS3.
It was shown during the Sony press conference, and before playing these game demo’s, a spokesperson said all the demos were running in real time on the PS3..
Unfortunately they didn’t specifically say that the Killzone 2 demo was running in realtime, so that’s lead to many people suggesting that it’s pre-rendered FMV (yes, it’s that good!).

There are many people like me who really hope that was a realtime cutscene done in the game engine though ;)

I’ve updated the table above with expected prices. The PS3 price is speculation based on a comment by Sony published in Japanase newspaper Mainichi Shimbun.

Sorry Unifex, but that killzone vid is indeed pre-rendered.

The same company which created the cinematics for the original game is responsible.

I’ve never been biased towards any machine. I had a ps and now an xbox, and based on the specs above i will most likely buy a ps3. To be honest i dont know why you would buy an xbox360 when you know a better machine (ps3) will be released within a year. What i’m interested to know is whether Sony will release a kickass multiplayer (like xbox live) for the ps3?

Yo i dont know why so many people like the look of the ps3 to me that looks like a printer. Now xbox360 , might not have blown us away at e3 like the ps3 did, but it is now known that all that we saw was running on alpha kits which means we still havent seen the power of the 360. Dont matter the specs im still stickin with the 360. I think it has alot more plus it actually connects with a psp.

the xbox is what i have and i hate ps2 and ps also psp i dont prefer sony junk but i think they’ve out done microsoft now sadly in areas of the xbox 360 but xbox 360 owns ps3 in like memory and most people like that mainly and xbox 360 is out earlier than ps3 so by the release date for ps3 lots of people will loose they’re patients and get an xbox 360

and have you seen the ps3 site exactly there is no www.ps3.com only a www.xbox360.com

Dude I love the xbox 360, even though the ps3 is winning a few specs check out the awful controller design… That is cleary the most ugliest thing ever!!!!! I am going with the xbox 360 definitely!

Yeah thas wat im talkin bout xbox 360 all the way. At e3 xbox 360 was runnin on alpha kits so we havent seen the true power. PS3 aint got nothin on microsoft!…………i still think ps3 looks like a printer ant that controll looks like a gadget batman would use.

yeh i agree the ps3 controllers are messed up

and you know that killzone game i don’t think its worth getting a ps3 just for 1 game then xbox 360 will come out with games witht the exact graphics cause thats why everone likes it

and doesn’t the ps3 look like a printer?
and ive got another question
you know the xbox 360 drive does the drive come out or do you slide the cd in?

like the ps3 cd drive

The xbox is going to win hands down, since they are being true the whole time. So far xbox has mentioned what the system can and cannot do as well as give FULL Specs, which isn’t the case with the PS3 (just numbers without any true backing of polygon counts or anything of the sort). I was reading on IGN that even the engineers of the ps3 are not a 100% sure how the cell processor works, which will lead to problems. The system has been reported will cost (translated over to english and US currency) to 470 and the xbox is looking at 300. About the blue ray technology, their is no support currently for that device and will probably will not be so for another 3 to 4 years, which is when the next system will be pushed. I will have to buy both, but the ps3 looks like a George Forman Grill.

I have a feeling Sony is taking too big of a risk with their new processor, and the specks between Xbox 360 and the PS3 aren’t different enough for me to wait to buy a Playstation. The graphics are going to be awesome on both of them. Wich has the brightest future? Who can go against Microsofts programers and win? Is Steve Jobs working for Sony? The hardware is only a tiny piece of the pie. Look at Ps2 what a junk box, yet it still in the running. I am backing The Xbox360. Sony has dibs on the hardware devolopment, or do they? Microsoft definately owns when it comes to software development, and support. Will Sonys Online experience ever exceed Microsoft? I say NEVER. The PS3 doesn’t look better than the 360 to me. Not in any way.
It seems obvious you can’t Judge a game council on prerenderd graphichs. I’ve heard PS3 specks are better. I bet this time Playstation is released there wont be any shortage, and 360 will be better. I know Sonys track record with developers and the lack of support. unco I’m with you all the way. HANDS DOWN XBOX!

XBOX 360!

Now that the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 specifications have been announced, it is possible to do a real world performance comparison of the two systems.

There are three critical performance aspects of a console:

Central Processing Unit (CPU) performance.

The Xbox 360 CPU architecture has three times the general purpose processing power of the Cell.

Graphics Processing Unit (GPU) performance

The Xbox 360 GPU design is more flexible and it has more processing power than the PS3 GPU.

Memory System Bandwidth

The memory system bandwidth in Xbox 360 exceeds the PS3’s by five times

OH yeah HALO 3, I’m shure it will knock killzone2 out of the water.

what about the teraflops?

im sure xbox 360 will win but by not that much. and ive got a question you know the first xbox will the cd drive be the one that comes out like a pc cd drive or the ps3 cd drive where you slide the cd in?

yeh ps3 has more terra flop than xbox but the performance isn’t greater you’ll see

and xbox 360 you can take out the hard drive to transfer files frmo xbox to xbox 360

but does anyone here know if the cd drive comes out like a pc cd drive or a cd drive were you slide the cd in for the xbox 360?

it comes out like a pc drive, most likely

Whoever saw the DOA4 trailer? if u did and wasnt happy with graphics well the game at that piont as only 15 % done!

THis where the XBOX 360 could beat up the PS3
“Although the 360 looks inferior to the PS3 in terms of sheer hardware capabilities, Microsoft’s console stands out from Sony’s with its mass-market appeal. Serving as a game console, Tivo, one-stop source for on-demand media (MP3s, movies, music), video chat service, the Xbox 360 seems far more versatile than the PS3 — potentially drawing in a much more diverse audience. Slides even showed the console to be potentially compatible with rival electronics such as the iPod and PSP. Sony by contrast didn’t focus much on the media functionality of the console; it did show its compatibility with a whole slew of CD and DVD formats, but the PS3 doesn’t seem to have DVD burning functionality”

See, I thought, just like the most of you that PS3 was better just by looking at numbers. Boy that shows just how uneducated we are. Everyone go to http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/617/617951p1.html for a true comparitive anaylasis and you will see that Xbox 360 wasn’t foolin around. I like PS3 but 360 has it beat!

Oh wow! Am i the only one who thinks its not just a coincidence that xbox comes out with new specs just as ps3 overshadows them at e3. I think xbox’s new specs were roughly put together and in total are bs. Im not saying that everything sony said is true but xbox just has to admit defeat. With ps3 however i am now not so trusting with the cell proccesor any more but would still go for it over the 360. Yes the controller looks like a boomerrang but i think its ideal for grip and comfort. And to all those xboxers out there the only reason xbox come out on top in the ps2 xbox consoles was because it came out quite a time later than ps2 and had market to advanced technology. Now that it is a even playing field you can obviously tell sony’s ps3 is pushing tecnologys limit with the blu-ray dual layer discs and not to mention that very handy blu tooth technology which is going to come bak and kick microsoft in the ass.

djhitman - that link is to “a Microsoft-made comparitive analysis”

deentml89 dude listen to yourself. The ps2 came out first than xbox and the xbox is on top so in a way the ps2 actually had the advantage because it came out first. The reason why ps2 came out was because all of us had n64 and ps1 therefore seein the graphics of ps2 was just amazing. Then grand theft auto came out and so it sold alot. Now we get the xbox in the competition and it kills the ps2 with=xbox live, halo, halo2, splinter cell, bein able to hook up 4 xboxes, rippin ur own music, doa3, mechassault, project gotham 2, grand theft auto double pack, doom 3, metal gear solid substance. So basically xbox has every ps2 hit. Except devil maycry but xbox has Ninja gaiden, and about xbox 360 and ps3 well all i got to say is at e3 ps3 is showin “cg” when xbox is showin real time gameplay and there only alpha kits. thank you, now go and get your xbox.

If you look at some top US game publishers’ revenues over the past financial year, for non-handheld consoles, they on average earn 2 PS2 dollars for every 1 xbox dollar (EA, THQ, Midway, Activision). This is contrary to the idea of Xbox being on top or killing the PS2. I still submit the design work on the PS3 is sleeker and more refined than the Xbox360 and the PS3 should do better in the looks department in European markets, and of course in Japan. To throw the microsoft made comparison in the mix while generalising that we are uneducated is way out of line.

These games have been confirmed to be on PS3:
2 Days to Vegas
Alan Wake
Condemned: Criminal Orig
Dark Sector
Darkness
Demonik
Devil May Cry 4
Dirty Harry (working tit
Eyedentify
Fifth Phantom Saga
Fight Night Round 3
Formula 1
Full Auto
Getaway 3 (working title
Gran Theft Auto 4
Gran Turismo 5 (Vision)
Gundam World
Heavenly Sword
I-8
Killing Day
Killzone 2
King Kong
Madden NFL Next Gen (wor
Metal Gear Solid 4
MotorStorm
Ni-Oh
Possession
Project Delta
Scarface: The World is Y
Secret Service
ShadowClan
Splinter Cell 4
Stranglehold
Tekken 6
Test Drive Unlimited
Tom Clancy’s Ghost Recon
Untitled John McTiernan
Untitled Western Shooter
Warhawk

Also Ninja Gaiden is considering all next-generation multiplatform consoles (including ps3) and the on the Xbox360 is not gonna be an exclusive game. Also i think that the PS3 will reach numbers like PS2 or higher. Xbox360 is not gonna have such titles as the PS3. Microsoft has the lower hardware spec. of Xbox360 and not so many software/game developers for the Xbox (Xbox360 will be the same).
The cell processor is greater in Tflops(processing power) and its the most advanced CPU of today, the games will use C++(not Vu code like PS2) and that means easier for developers to handle. Also the PS3 will cost about 400$ when it comes out(depending on the price of Xbox360). The graphic cards are simmilar and the PS3s video ram for the graphic are
256MB GDDR3 VRAM @700MHz, the nvidia chip runs on 550mhz i think. It has separate main Ram, patented by Rambus and it is much faster then GDDR3 which xbox360 uses, its 256MB XDR Main RAM @3.2GHz. It has many slots and plug-ins, higher resolution/mode compatibility, bluetooth Controllers and uses DVD+/- and blu-ray technology in the optical drive (storage to 100 GB on 4layer BD disk!). The sound is/will be also nice. It will also have a hard disk and i think also Ps2 compatibility probably. It will come out in start of year 2006 and will not get old till 2010 at least. My advice, skip the new year xbox360 buy and buy the ps3 only or both consoles because xbox360 isn’t worth much alone.

devilhope, in your hole statement all i hear is i think, i think, why are you saying i think for eveything, your the same as the ps3 guys at e3 because they say they dont even know what that cell does. Xbox 360 again has been running on alpha kits but then again they are not afraid to actually show “gameplay” not “cg”. They showed such games as dead or alive four which was only 15 % done, now to me thas gonna look awesome when its done. Half of those games you mentioned will be on xbox 360, and remmember most of those games actually started out on xbox 1. Besides we all know that HALO3 WILL DO BETTER THAN PS3.

HERE IS XBOX 360 LINE UP OH YEAH!: Perfect Dark Zero
Halo 3
The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion
Dead or Alive 4
Tom Clancy’s Ghost Recon 3
Ninja Gaiden 2
Kameo: Elements of Power
Project Gotham Racing 3
Madden NFL 06
Need for Speed Most Wanted
QUAKE 4
Condemned: Criminal Origins
DOAX 2 (Working Title)
Lost Odyssey
Dark Sector
Call of Duty 2
Blue Dragon
The Godfather
Unreal Tournament 2007
NBA 2K6
Ninety-Nine Nights
Final Fantasy XI
Full Auto
Tomb Raider: Legend
Tony Hawk’s American Wasteland
King Kong
Dead Rising
NBA Live 06
Saint’s Row
2 Days to Vegas
Battlefield 2: Modern Combat
Test Drive Unlimited
Tiger Woods PGA Tour 2006
Alan Wake
The Darkness
Demonik
Top Spin 2
FIFA Soccer 2006
Frame City Killer
The Outfit
Huxley
Possession
Too Human: Part 1
Scarface: The World is Yours
Amped 3
Prey
Stranglehold
NHL 2K6
Chrome Hounds
Dirty Harry
Metronome
Psychopath
Indiana Jones [untitled next-gen project
Project Delta
College Hoops 2K6
Game Republic Action Project [untitled]
Game Republic Xbox Live Project [untitled
[eM] -eNCHANT arM
Theseis

yeh xbox 360 is way better
plus the only reason why people like the ps3 is for killzone 2 then its crap

Yeah well as you can all see the xbox 360 has a bigger much better line up than that other system. Killzone 2 looked great at e3, too bad it wasnt gameplay!

Killzone 2 is/was real gameplay and not pre-rendered animation. It was REAL ! There are some minor in-game bugs that confirm this(video clips prove). If killzone 2 was for real, it is one of the most advanced games (although its a starting game-2006- of the ps3) i’ve seen. The later games for PS3 will be much better in graphics, which the PS2 lacked vs. the first Xbox. Now the PS3 is also hardware superior to the Xbox360 (stupid name).

Devilhope, Killzone 2 was not real gameplay. It was CG. Even the developer admitted it. The PS3 is vaporware. They didnt even turn the thing on and it looks more like an old fax machine than a console. On the other hand, Gears of War was real gameplay. Hardware speaking, the Xbox 360 its superior. And yes, the Xbox360 is a stupid name.

Sorry, I forgot to mention that the comparison between the sizes of the consoles are wrong. The PS3 is 3.25 inches longer and 1 inch higher than the Xbox360.

THe PS3 GPU(video card) isnt even finished yet. It was officially announced too, no argueing about that.

everyone keeps on forgetting this is microsoft the leader in software technology around the world .. why do you think microsoft skip hd and blue ray technology… because if you were on teamxbox you will know the technology that was patented that allows a dvd to hold 800 gigabites or more .. now compare that to blue ray not to say nvidia has never ,, and i will use the term never beaten ati when it comes to graphics technology… What was shown at e3 is only i would say 10 percent of what the xbox 360 can do…think about infinite bandwith infinite…no load times … microsoft has this down pack.. sony got scared that the reason why earlier if you recall they could show what the ps3 software could do…so they waited for e3 so what about tekken…or killzone big deal……we haven’t seen nothing…yet …microsoft knows what it is doing…can you customize your ps3 , i think not… its not about how powerful the cpu is , it what you can do with it…if you compare metroid or resident for gamecube to halo on the xbox , metroid or resident evil wins because of what the graphics card can do…xbox 360 is the winner just say.. and if you know sony they are going to price their system extremly high very powerful cpu , low bandwidth.. that sony for you.

Nothing’s more scary than MS fanboys. The PS3 may be further from reality, but the fact that Microsoft was running all their E3 game demos from Mac G5s indicates that *both* consoles are still in heavily in prototype phase and it’s impossible to make any solid claims as to relative speeds of either.

Anyway… maxhagen, do you have a source for that? I’d love to add exact dimensions to the table above if you have them.

Aight bruce i guess your right, but eventhough the consoles didnt really show much wat i saw on 360 was good, i mean seein those games and bein only not even half percent done! thas amazing. No matter wat im stickin with MICROSOFTS XBOX 360. Just look at the line up damit.

The games on PS3 are going to look like killzone 2 trailer, its just a matter of time. Maybe we’ll see beautiful gameplay/graphics before the year 2010.

It is also said(a rumour) that the PS3 will launch in 2006 with a price under 400$ !

http://web.aanet.com.au/skartel/?p=26

I know I read them somewhere else also (I think it was IGN), but those are the “rumored dimensions”. But if you saw the MTV special and also the presentation of the PS3 you can see that the Xbox360 looked smaller than the fugly fax machine.

At the end, some people like Microsoft and buy their products, some people like Sony and buy their products too. I have both Xbox and PS2 and I might have both X360+PS3. But, if I have to pick a console right now based on provided proof of existence, I should pick the Xbox 360, and those that want to wait for the PS3, rejoice for your wait.

DEVILHOPE, again the killzone trailer was talked about and they said, “this is wat we are trying to accomplish” Which means it was not real gameplay. Ps3 did not show gameplay, well maybe some footaga but it never looked as good as that “cg” trailer of killzone 2. Well well just have to wait and see how the ps3 does when the almighty HALO 3 comes out on the same date.

My car goes faster than your boat so it’s better.

As I understand it (and correct me if I’m wrong - I’m sure one of the MS boys will, you appear to be camping this thread) but with the current generation of consoles the processing/gfx power-hierarchy goes ps2, gamecube, xbox. With xbox being the ‘most powerful’.

Basically (as I understand it) this means that if a game comes out on all three platforms xbox is going to have the best chance of it being (assuming it wasn’t straight-ported to xbox from ps2 or what have you). I own the three systems - so if a game comes out on ps2 and gamecube, I buy the gamecube version. If it comes on on all three I buy the xbox version. Simple.

And yet I own more ps2 games than gamecube games, and more gamecube games than xbox games.

How does this work?
A few ways actually.

First is the obvious - that PS2 was released before GameCube which was released before Xbox. This gives each system more time to rack up a catalogue of games (good and bad). That said (without actually looking up the facts) I’m reasonably sure Xbox has a larger catalogue of games than the GameCube - certainly they have more market exposure/shelf space - which almost discounts this point.

Secondly you have exclusivity (something Nintendo is familiar with but Sony appears to have perfected) - this means that some of the best games (through design or lack of exposure) will never make it to other platforms. A few games from my own collection that come to mind are Katamari Damashi for the PS2 a game so different, simple and well executed you can’t help but giggle as you play it (type it into google and you’ll get a mass of blogs each one trying to out-plaudit the last - and I actually read about it here first, Thanks guys!). Ikaruga for the Gamecube (originally for the Dreamcast) - People keep saying shooters are dead but I keep seeing newer and better ones. Mark of Kri (PS2), Viewtiful Joe (GC - ok that’s on PS2 now also but still not Xbox), Mario Party 5 (GC), and so on and so on.

This brings me to my final point, Genres. What makes the games I’ve listed different is that they ARE different, each one represents either a beautiful execution of an existing genre or a blended/new genre all together. The bulk of Xbox only games seem to be Sports, Racers, or FPSs - this seems to indicate a very male 12 - 22 target market (I wouldn’t go so far as to imply that the MS fans on this forum fit into that group, that would be presumptuous). There are a few attempts at platformer (although the neither Xbox pad lends itself very well to this genre) and some dodgy RPGs (excluding the fantastic Baldur’s Gate entries - I bought the first one on PS2 before it came out on Xbox, and the second one on PS2 because I couldn’t find the Xbox one). Lets look at those three major genres: Sports games, personally I couldn’t give a toss, I own a couple ’sports’ games (Sega Soccer Slam, Mario Tennis) and I have no interest in playing EA’s “[Insert Sportsman’s] [Insert Licensed Sport Game], [Insert Year]”. Racers: again I’m not a big fan of “Realistic” racing (PSs GT3 is the best/worst example of this), nor am I interested in owning 11 variations on the theme. Mario Kart is about all I need. Finally FPSs - this is an interesting one because this platform seems to be dominated not by a genre but by a single game - a First Person Shooter called Halo. I own it. It’s good. Bungie have rocked since Marathon days. I own Halo 2 also, and those two games make up almost 50% of my games Xbox collection. However at the top of this post I missed out a platform: PCs (specifically Windows based computers). While I would prefer playing Prince of Persia on Xbox, Halo and the countless other FPSs are simply better geared to different input devices. In fact, I would have continued my trend of buying for the best system and bought Halo on PC has MS/whoever not done such a shoddy job of porting it (I mean for Christ’s sake the Xbox is essentially a PC on it’s side, how hard could it have been to port?)

Regardless, it seems counter-productive to be arguing the merits of what are still essentially theoretical systems. I understand the Xbox specs are closer to factuality, but it’s still like comparing a spaceship to a unicorn.

EA’s “[Insert Sportsman’s] [Insert Licensed Sport Game], [Insert Year]”

I love it. Great comments rumoko!

And Katamary rocks!! I just finished it and it’s easily my favourite game since HL2.

yay, i love it too, those are some great comments.

Short Overview

The Cell architecture consists of a number of elements:

The Cell Processor
This is a 9 core processor, one of these cores is something similar to a PowerPC G5 and acts as a controller. The remaining 8 cores are called APUs and these are very high performance vector processors. Each APU contains it’s own block of high speed RAM and is capable of 32 GigaFlops (32bit). The APUs are independent processors and can act alone or can be set up to process a stream of data with different APUs working on different stages. This ability to act as a “stream processor” gives access to the full processing power of a Cell which is more than 10 times higher than even the fastest desktop processors.

In addition to the raw processing power the Cell includes a high performance multi-channel memory subsystem and a number of high speed interconnects for connecting to other Cells or I/O devices.

Distributing Processing
Cells are specifically designed to work together. While they can be directly connected via the high speed interconnects they can also be connected in other ways or distributed over a network. The Cells are not gaming or computer specific, they can be in anything from PDAs to TVs and all can be used to effectively act as a single system. The infrastructure for this is built into each Cell as they operate on “Software Cells” which contain routing information as well as programs and data.

Parallel programming is usually complex but in this case the OS will look at the resources it has and distribute tasks accordingly, this process does not involve re-programming. If you want more processing power you simply add more Cells, you do not need to replace the existing ones as the new Cells will augment the existing ones.

Overall the Cell architecture is an architecture for distributed, parallel processing using very powerful computational engines developed using a highly aggressive design strategy. These devices shall be produced in vast numbers so they will provide vast processing resources at a low cost.

Conclusion

The first Cell based desktop computer will be the fastest desktop computer in the industry by a very large margin. Even high end multi-core x86s will not get close. Companies who produce microprocessors or DSPs are going to have a very hard time fighting the power a Cell will deliver. We have never seen a leap in performance like this before and I don’t expect we’ll ever see one again, It’ll send shock-waves through the entire industry and we’ll see big changes as a result.

The sheer power and low cost of the Cell means it will present a challenge to the venerable PC. The PC has always been able to beat competition by virtue of it’s huge software base, but this base is not as strong as it once was. A lot of software now runs on Linux and this is not dependant on x86 processors or Microsoft. Most PCs now provide more power than is necessary and this fact combined with fast JIT emulators means that if necessary the Cell can provide PC compatibility without the PC.

It will not just attack the PC industry but expect it to be widely used in embedded applications where high performance is required. This means it will be made in numbers potentially many times that of x86 CPUs and this will reduce prices further. This will also hurt PC based vendors’ desires to enter the home entertainment space as PC based solutions [Entertainment] will be more complex and cost more than Cell based systems.

This is going to prove difficult for the PC as CPU and GPU suppliers will have essentially nothing to fight back with. All they can hope to do is match a Cell’s performance but even that is going to be incredibly difficult given the Cell’s aggressive Cray-esqe design strategy.

Cell is going to turn the industry upside down, nobody has ever produced such a leap in performance in one go and certainly not at a low price. The CPU producers will be forced to fight back and irrespective of how well the Cell actually does in the market you can be sure that in a few short years all CPUs will be providing vastly more processing resources than they do today. Even if the Cell was to fail we shall all gain from it’s legacy.

Not all companies will react correctly or in time, this will provide opportunities for newer, smaller and smarter companies. Big changes are coming, they may take years but the Cell means a decade from now the technology world is going to look very different.

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PS3 WINS!!!

Holy crap man, thank you for your life story. I’m not for xbox or ps3. The 2 consoles are gonna be neck and neck. Really the 2 systems are just tricked out PCs. Both systems will have exclusive games such as PS3 with killzone and Xbox 360 with Halo and stuff like that. I honestly dont care about hardware, thats just a luxury for me. I just wana have some fun fraggin my friends online and tryin to beat that boss on the 5th level. I bet alot of you guys are thinkin the same way. ;-D

The Cell does sound awesome, and I really do hope it makes some headway into the desktop market, but sadly this comes down to a lot more than just technical superiority. Operating systems and software is what drives all demand for hardware, and Microsoft won’t give up their desktop dominance without an even bigger fight than they’re putting into the game console market. (they have a huge war-chest of cash to fight with)

What strikes me about the current situation is that we’re all benefiting largely from the intense competition, and the moment that one company “wins” and dominates the market will be the day that all this innovation begins to slow and E3 will be a lot less interesting to watch.

In terms of games, long live Sony and Microsoft and Nintendo!

-=[M[X]K]=- you dont know what your talking about. First of all lots of those games you listed for x box releases are not even true. Second of all the footage of Killzone 2 was actual game play. And also what you said about x box killing the competion is not true because the top 5 best sellign games were all ps2 titles. The ps3 will win with out a doubt not only becasue it is a better system in almost every way, but also becasue there are alot more people that own ps2 than xbox. Everyone already owning a ps2 will obviously go with ps3 becasue it is backward compatible and they allready have a lot of ps2 titles. Also becasue of the market in japan. They have many anime serie video games that only come out on playstation playforms. The playstation three will obviously come out on top and be the lead system for many more years to come.

[Walker],ofcourse more people own ps2, thas because it came out first so when that creppy system came out we had n64 and ps1, therefore the graphics looked awesome compared to n64 and ps1. The playstation 2 made most of its money from the gta titles. And bout those games on xbox are true unless u got a source sayin that they aint.So xbox dropped, and it didnt do good in japan well thats too bad but when it dropped we got halo, project gotham racing and you know wat i bet there is no game out there that can top the best xbox game right now and if there is name it, and if playstation is as good as u say it is well i dont see no playstation “live”. I guess you ps2 peolpe like to play split screen………..but anyways about ps3 and xbox 360 you know maybe your right maybe it well sell more because of many people owning the ps2 but i know sooner or later you will own an xbox 360 because i know it has a much better line up than ps3. We got kool games comin like perfect dark zero, halo 3 , doa4, pgr3, gears of war ,ghost recon 3 and much better ones. So wat tittles does ps3 have unless like you said that u want to still play your old crappy ps2 games.

hey whats wrong with you guys ps3 is going to be the same did you see the games for ps2 half of them are sucky platform games im sureits going to be the same with ps3. xbox was great enough and now xbox 360 is going to blow us away while you can sit there with your sucky platform games with your gaystation 3 in your hands

and xbox 360 i find is a better name than ps2 then ps3 then ps4

This new Killzone for PS3, is Sony’s Answer that they can make fps’s too, Halo 1,2,3,4 I dont care how many, will be obliterated, finally a decent fps has arrived..(SO REAL) I can’t wait till PS3 arrives, in Spring 2006. Just enough time to take the wind out of Microsoft’s sails..

If you want a true and official list of games go to xboxaddict.com. And xbox live sucks by the way. Why pay monthly fees when you can play playstation on line for free? There are alot more people that play playstation on line than xbox. The very best game on all platforms is socom2 where there are over 700,000 people that play it online. Dont believe me go on right now and you will see that there is alwasy at leat 30,000 online at any time of the day which is many more times than halo2. And if you cant go to gamebattles.com then go on there halo2 section then socom2 and you will see how many people play. You obviously do not own a ps2 and therefore trying to defend yourself for buying an x box. Sorry to break it to you guys but playstation owns x-box. You guys are just jealous because ps3 is so much better.

Yup, Xbox360(wth kind of name is this) will be destroyed by PS3

hey the only reason why people like ps2 online is cause it has more online games and ps3 is going down!!! all the way xbox 360 has a creative name ps psp ps2 ps3 is all the same boring names same with the system XBOX 360 RULES!

the gaystation 3

You were so happy with your ‘witty’ play on words you had to repeat it?

I don’t understand why this is still being discussed. The few sensible comments seem to be being glossed over in place of baseless and unfounded generalisations. This argument is no doubt being had in every remotely game related forum, blog and irc channel across the internet.

and now we’re arguing the names?!

Word on the street is the New Sega Dreamcast 2 Aka: “Sega! Awexome-Splosion! 4000!” is going to have 7 Xbox360s wrapped around a PS3 Cell core.

They’ve purchased the exclusive rights to the country of Japan. The system will be launching with a Ground Breaking Next-Next Gen title: “The Peeps: Living Live.” - Each console will actually come bundled with a small japanese family.

See a tech demo shot of it here: http://www.fuccon.com/graphics/gallery/pics/21.jpg

Bruce is spot on - competition drives progress. The ‘market leader’ within any industry is in the unenviable position of having to stay there. This is something that Mircosoft is learning the hard way with it’s Software (vs Opensource/Linux), Sony has learned the hard way with isNon-Mp3 Digital walkmans (men?) (vs iPod/MP3 Technology) and Nintendo may learn the hard way with it’s DS (vs PSP).
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As a side note anyone interested in knowing way too much info about the Cell chip (I’m kinda not) and wanting to read the rest of botelhoc’s post can go here: http://www.blachford.info/computer/Cells/Cell0.html

Man socom2,hahahahahah!!! thas your best game! c mon dude halo 2 outsold that peice of garbage!!!. you know wat i think socom2 didnt even sell half the times that halo 2 did. Ps2 does beat xbox but in game library beacuse if you compare a game that comes out for both systems you know that the xbox version has always had the best graphics, best control , and always extras. Look at splinter cell, the ps2 cant even handle the graphics so they had to lower them so just go and play socom2 and ill play halo 2 which doese beat your socom2 game and i know that halo 3 will sell more than any videogame outhere.

And xbox 360 is a good game if u dont get the meanin of it then you are just stupid!!!!…………………..think of the name!!!

Actually that size comparison is wrong. The ps3 is bigger then the xbox 360…. it is actually the size of the original xbox. The xbox 360 also has the trimming conclave. Now on to gameplay and numbers, you have to realize that the ps3 cant actually achieve full potential because it doesnt have the inner bandwidth to allow its full power to be used, it gets tied up with all the different RAM. Now when Sony talks about 2.1 teraflops to microsoft’s 1, its meaningless. That is floating point, which encompasses 20% of a game, and coders avoid anything to do with floating point like it was a disease. The other 805 of the game is general , which the 360 has more of. The graphics cards are evenly matched right now, we will have to see. Now to games, most of the xbox’s games were real time, and they had some games running at their E3 booth and you could actually play them. The ps3 games were obviously CGI as one developer said, since their graphic card isnt done and none of their developers even have beta or alpha kits. Sony lied and said they were real time, when their developers said they were not. Also the 360 will have much better online play, as they already have Xbox Live, and Microsoft is a company made of coders, who a lot of times, code stuff for servers.SOny doesnt have a lot of exclusive games now with even its musclehorse GTA being ported, but they both have kickass games. Like what you like, the numbers add up, but still, just buy whatever you want.

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i have taken a look at the specs of both ps3 and xbox2, in my opinion and the opinion of several other people xbox 2 will be better. It has the gfx capabilities of the next-next gen cards b/cuz ati(world record holder for fastest gpu) is giving msoft the r520 chip. Also, xbox is going to be a multimedia center, it’s not gonna break down like most ps2s. If you look at it, xbox games are easier to code and make than ps2 games are, that improves quality of the xbox games severely because they spend more time making the game and less time figuring out how to make the game. We all know that halo 2 currently holds the record for selling multimedia in one night (125 mil). name one ps2 game that has even come close to this. by carefully analyzing and comparing halo vs halo2 you can see the dramatic enhancements that the devs were able to make. Look at one of the first ps2 games and compare it to a newer game. then, of course the xbox 2 will have more RAM and have more processing power (500 MHz). The xbox 2 will have a usb 2.0 camera (free) to be used online. Hmm, let me see, does the eyetoy allow online playability? NO!!! So before you crazy Sony fans go and get your knickers in a bunch cuz the xbox is better than the ps2, think about this. IT IS NOT!!!!!!!!!

CONCLUSION
When you break down the numbers, Xbox 360 has provably more performance than PS3. Keep in mind that Sony has a track record of over promising and under delivering on technical performance. The truth is that both systems pack a lot of power for high definition games and entertainment.

However, hardware performance, while important, is only a third of the puzzle. Xbox 360 is a fusion of hardware, software and services. Without the software and services to power it, even the most powerful hardware becomes inconsequential. Xbox 360 games—by leveraging cutting-edge hardware, software, and services—will outperform the PlayStation 3.

“The xbox 360 also has the trimming conclave.”

Wow, sounds like some freaky diet cult.

the ps3 is a powerful machine only its all based on a cell chip…so that is so fast that it is ahead of its generation …keep in mind nvidia hasn’t finalize their graphics chips……sony is all hype… that what they are all hype ….even gamecube has better graphics that ps2 and the ps2 has a higher pixel rate…if sony wants to redeem themselves they have to prove it…pricewise…and graphic wise …they have along way to go before i buy ps3 ….

hello everyone,
i am not an expert in video games, so i came here for some help/advice. here is the story:

I own an xbox. i believed at the time when i purchased it that it was superior to ps2 so i got it. I have grown to like the xbox, the games, and especially the controller. the original one… yes yes… the big one… i just love it. the main reason being that it just fits perfectly into my hands and the 4 main buttons are so close to eachother that you bearly have to move your thumb around… i just find it easier to used as compared to the new s-controller as well as the ps2 controller (which i think is horrible)… even though i like my xbox but i am not a fanatic…

i will not be making my purchase based on brand name, rather i will be making it based on console attributes (hardware, software, support etc) so the one with the best package will be the winner for me… but i must admit, i would rather have MS win the battle… but if they don’t i will surely buy a ps3.

now for the difficult part… my questions:

1. what the hell is up with that ps3 controller? it looks awlful and not ergonomic at all. is that controller officially the one that will come along with the console?

2. bluetooth: what difference will that make? how will that technology be ustilized on a game console? what are its advantages?

3. The japanese presenter at E3 said something about 9 processors inside the ps3. whereas i think i heard that xbox360 will only have 3… is that true? is that a big adantage for sony?

4. blue ray. why isnt MS going for blueray… dont those disks hold more data? if so… wont that makes sony games larger hence better? due to the availability for more data?
In addition, someone talked about 800gb dvds… what is that? i never heard about it. will it be used by xbox 360?

5. i am very reluctant to accept the ign.com comparisson of the 2 consoles since it was done by MS. how realistic is it? or is it just a marketing effort?

6. I had no idea that ps2 had free online capabilities. this is a plus for them. i myself do not subscribe to xbox live… i might be missing out… but i do not see the reason why i should pay a monthly fee for that.

7. i see what the name xbox 360 stands for… but i myself do not like it that much. i would have prefered something along the lines of Next Box.

when you answer my questions try to be as objective as possible, so we can get a better idea of what is going on. i know both sides have their hardcore fans who support their brands no matter what… but i am just looking for some objective feedback.

appreciated

1.)Alright well Ps3 controler does indeed look awfull but so did the first controler for the xbox. They can change it so don’t use that agenest them.

2.) I still don’t understand what will you use the blue tooth for. Theres alot of stuff in the ps3 that people dont need. Same with xbox 360 but they are still very good consoles

3.) I herd 7 for sony. hmm oh well. The difference bewteen the xbox 360 graphics and xbox are not HUGE and if the xbox ran only one core then i dont think many games will be able to touch the last core for a long while.

4.) Blue ray does seem like a good idea but dvd×9 will still hold alot. I herd they hold up to 8 gigs and thats alot for a game.

5.) I havent seen the ign comparison yet

6.) ps2 never had free online. Every game had a different fee and xbox live had 1 straight consistant monthly fee which i like much better than managing 18 different bills from different games and im assuming that the online play will be the same since sony didnt mention anything about online except for the built in eithernet at e3.

7.) xbox 360 iis a much better name than xbox 2. It has meaning to it.

Thats all i got to say about your post sucrets. Cya man

“6.) ps2 never had free online. Every game had a different fee and xbox live had 1 straight consistant monthly fee which i like much better than managing 18 different bills from different games and im assuming that the online play will be the same since sony didnt mention anything about online except for the built in eithernet at e3.”

you are wrong there, the only games on the ps2 that you ever had to pay a fee to play online was the everquest series. i have the ps2 network adaptore i a dont have to pay anything.

1. what the hell is up with that ps3 controller? it looks awlful and not ergonomic at all. is that controller officially the one that will come along with the console?

It’s better to wait for the gamepad, it will be good im sure of it. It will not be a failure like the “bad Dreamcast gamepad imitation overgrown Xbox controller”

2. bluetooth: what difference will that make? how will that technology be ustilized on a game console? what are its advantages?

I dont know what you mean. It’s better to have no cables through your home, wireless is new technology :)

3. The japanese presenter at E3 said something about 9 processors inside the ps3. whereas i think i heard that xbox360 will only have 3… is that true? is that a big adantage for sony?

Cell processor of Ps3 will have 7+1 Units which act like different CPUs in one pack.* IBM who is the main character in making CELL told taht it is more advanced than G5*

4. blue ray. why isnt MS going for blueray… dont those disks hold more data? if so… wont that makes sony games larger hence better? due to the availability for more data?
In addition, someone talked about 800gb dvds… what is that? i never heard about it. will it be used by xbox 360?

Blu-ray technology enables to store up to 100GB space on Bluray disks. The next step after blu-ray will probably be Holographic disks over 1TB …I haven’t heard about a larger DVD than HD-DVD standard (small rival of Blu-ray, Optical drives which support both standards will be available for PC,probably)

5. i am very reluctant to accept the ign.com comparisson of the 2 consoles since it was done by MS. how realistic is it? or is it just a marketing effort?

It’s fair. Not the whole truth. :)

6. I had no idea that ps2 had free online capabilities. this is a plus for them. i myself do not subscribe to xbox live… i might be missing out… but i do not see the reason why i should pay a monthly fee for that.

PS2 online is O.K. PS3 will be better :)

7. i see what the name xbox 360 stands for… but i myself do not like it that much. i would have prefered something along the lines of Next Box.

There would be “Xbox NEXT”, “XBOX 2″ ……

All in all “The future, PS3 console will have a small advantage in hardware power (this is 100% true and objective), if Sony gets more developers the Microsoft Xbox360 will not reach higher sales than original XBOX(which was a great loss for Micro$oft) and will teach Microsoft a lesson. The Nintendo Gamecube (was and is for me the second choice because of great games-exclusives-fun!) and Revolution looks more promising than GC. PS2 ruled the universe and with PS3 the situation will be similar.”

ColorDeaf08….You dont know anything about ps2 so stop talking about it. Ps2 is free online and how do i know? Becasue i have about 30 games that i play online and they are all free! I think its rediculous to pay hundreds of dolars over the years to play online when you have already bought the game. And i cant see how some of you can even say that x-box is a more powerfull system, the ps3 is a more powerfull system all hands down. I admit that xbox has a better line up of games to start with, but that is only becasue it is being released first. The ps3 will have just as many games after it has been out a while. You guys are making it sound like only one system will surrvive and the other one will die out like dreamcast did. But they will both do very well im sure. It will be how ps2 and xbox are now except reversed. This time ps3 will have better graphics than x box 360. To me online gaming is the main reason i even play video games and i certainly do not want to pay monthly fees,so i am definately going to buy a ps3. And anyone else that will not get xbox live should also definitely get ps3 becasue you will have more fun playing a online game even if its a crapier than playing a game by yourself.

Dang walker just sayin what i herd GOSH maybe he just buys games that you gotta pay for online.

Dang ps3 and xbox360 can play online, movies, music AND do your taxes all at the same time?

SEE the definitions

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=xbox&r=f

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=xbox360&r=f

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=ps3&r=f

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=microsoft&r=f

well who cares we can’t tell anyone what to buy i just know im getting my xbox 360 no questions asked!

yeah thas right im also gettin my xbox360 dont matter the specs so all u can wait to buy your ps3!

this is for u xbox fanboy, -=[M[X]K]=-.
ok u said name a game better then halo. ok right now ill admit it that sony does not have any fps games that are close to halo but socom in my mind is alot better then halo. maybe not in sales but i think gameplay and storyline, socom is a better fps then halo. and dont even try an come with sales because halo 2 sales dont come close to GTA San Andreas sales for the ps2 alone. GTA San ANdreas=14,000,000 copies maybe more now compared to halo 2=7,000,000 come on man dont even come close. but dont worry because i garantee u the ps3 will own the xbox 360 in fps games in this next generation.
u said that kill zone 2 was cg. even if it was cg i have proof that sony has the power and the technology to make that killzone 2 game just a little demonstration of what to expect from all ps3 games that come out and yes even look like in gameplay footage.

E3 2005: Epic Says PS3 Footage Achievable
Vice-President Mark Reign weighs in.
by Jeremy Dunham

May 17, 2005 - In a recent post on the Voodoo Extreme message boards, Epic Games’ Vice-President and long-time gamer Mark Reign gave his two cents on the PS3 movies presented at Sony’s press conference yesterday in Culver City, California. Here’s what he had to say:

In addition to the Sony demos being shown by Phil Harrison, the Epic and EA presentations were the only third party portions actually running on the PS3 in real-time. But most of those movies, which I probably watched three or four during rehearsals for the event, look very achievable and some were probably rendered on the actual box but in non-real-time. When a system is year away, heck even with a system is six months away, it is reasonable to expect the power of the dev kits would still only be a fraction of the power of the final system.

I know we’ll certainly be able to achieve much more on the final box than we were able to show in our demo after working with the early dev kit for only ~2 months. As Tim mentioned our demo only really showed off the power of RSX and then still we’re talk about an RSX that’s nowhere near as fast as the final one will be. When we get home from E3 we’ll also start diving seriously into the power of the cell processor. This is a very powerful system!

Sony’s cell demos were extremely cool and inspiring but are totally achievable, and over time even surpassable, by third developers like us because, as Tim Sweeney said, the development environment is made up of parts we’re already intimately familiar with: OpenGL, NVIDIA graphics, Linux, and PowerPC. Think about Epic’s experience, for example. We rock on NVIDIA hardware. We have been doing OpenGL since Unreal 1. We regularly ship our games on Linux and we’ve won several Macintosh Game of the Year awards including a special World-Wide Design Award directly from Apple for UT2004. We’re going to be able to kick serious ass on PS3, and so are a lot of our licensees and other 3rd party developers, in a way that wasn’t remotely possible on past consoles.

My point is that developers are going to be able to get SO MUCH MORE power out of these consoles than they ever could in the past and so much closer to the raw power of the components. The next generation is just going to be AMAZING!!! Next-gen games will be a huge leap forward over current gen. Can you tell I’m excited?

We’ll be back with more reactions and news bits to the PlayStation 3 as it becomes available.

and these are the creators of the unreal engine 3, the most advanced graphic engine to date not only for pc but now for ps3 and xbox 360, one thing kinda scary is that the unreal tournament 2007 demo they were running on nvidias unfinished graphic chip for the ps3, “ALONE” without the cell chip, and for it to look that good, we can only wonder how the final work will look.

check out ebgames site with a head 2 head battle between MS and Sony.

That said, the night’s “big news” wasn’t that big at all. Namely, it was that Microsoft had once again enlisted another major Japanese developer, Square Enix, to support the Xbox. But Square Enix’s first game for the new console isn’t new at all–it was the massively multiplayer role-playing game Final Fantasy XI. While the news will bring cheer to the hearts of Xbox 360 buyers, PlayStation 2 and PC owners have literally been there and done that.

Once the presentation ended, Microsoft decided it was time to party like a rock star…by trotting out some rock stars in the form of the Killers (again) and the Chemical Brothers. Camera crews also roamed the crowd, asking attendees what they thought of the Xbox 360. But while some raved about the machine, a few fanboys were definitely in the mix. Shouted one into the camera, “I think Sony’s gonna kick Microsoft’s ass!”

ROFLMAO, now that is funny, hahaha, if u wanna read the full story go here —>> http://www.ebgames.com/ebx/product/media/relatedmedia.asp?element_id=A6125236&intDeptTab=16

and for your information on those specs u read off of microsoft. those were specs they sent IGN in an email that they made up after E3 was all said and done. yes maybe if u are an xbox fanboy, u would believe false info that microsoft sent themselves but ask yourselves this. if they had so much confident that the xbox 360 had more power then the ps3 then why didnt they show these specs during the E3 show? because if they did, everyone in E3 wouldve took it as a big joke and as microsofts only come back. go read the forums on IGN and Gamespot, everyone knows those are specs microsoft made up in the last second just to draw attention from an ass whooping sony gave them at E3, u dont believe me, go to the site i gave in my last post, and it will tell u who had the clear victory at E3.

cloud01: the next generation starts 2006 spring>>

-=[M[X]K]=- all the things u said about xbox being better then ps2, well if it is so better then why has ps2 sold more consoles then the xbox? come on man if u say because it came out before the xbox, so what it was only out a year and 3 months before xbox and to try an compare 80,000 ps2’s sold to 20,000 xbox’s sold and not to mention every game that comes out on the ps2 and does come out on the xbox sells alot of games not because of the xbox but because of the ps2, and so what if the xbox has more power then the ps2. true gamers play awsome games, not awsome systems. it must be scary knowing the ps3 has now surpassed xbox 360 not only in graphics but everyone that owns a ps2 now know that sony has a system that can do everything it couldnt do for a game with the ps2. just gives me the chills just thinking of it and yes i cant wait until it comes out, ill also buy myself a nintendo revolution and wait for the xbox 360 to drop the price to about 150 then ill prolly buy one and use it to download music and little stuff like that so i can focus my ps3 strictly on the games and online play because i know sony is going to make the next generation expirience an awsome one and years to come.

on my last post i meant 80,000,000 ps2’s sold compared to xbox’s 20,000,000, thats triple the amount of consoles sold between ps2 and xbox and for just a year and three months head start. that is just some lop sided numbers that clearly tells u that the power of the console alone doesnt stand a chance against a power house of franchise games and alot of small games that are just plain fun that dont make there way to microsoft because they are all about mostly fps games. i would say some more but i am kinda tired of bringing true facts that sony will once again lead the next generation to where every type of gamer will want an awsome system with awsome games and now awsome graphics to be all in one package and will cost 399. where can u go wrong? ps3 hands down will own microsoft just like they have been owning every console that has tried to step in its way for the past decade and i just dont see how they are gonna lose because they still have there same franchise games and they showed off a few new franchises that has blown our minds, and alot of the games coming to the xbox 360 is gonna be making there way to the ps3 like ghost recon, rainbow six, games like that and they will prolly look 3 times better, and since sony will be using blu ray, they can add alot more gameplay and other contents to a game for the ps3 only then they can for xbox 360 or nintendo, damn 100 gb’s, that is just so much room for extra features and other thingz they can add in. i can already see all the smiles on the developers making games for the ps3, now they can finally do something they alwayz wanted to that they couldnt do before and still cant do for xbox 360 or revolution, for instants fight night round 3, yes this game is prolly gonna be on all three consoles but the ps3 version looks realistic compared to the xbox 360 version, i mean the ps3 is so much more advanced that the facial expression on the boxers face even tells u that sony is gonna own microsoft, lol.
well till 2006 spring, we will be watching games prolly u can see on pc’s now days and the regular xbox until the ps3 comes out.

EVERYONE CALM DOWN!!!!

Dude hands down Xbox 360 is going to smoke Ps3.. it comes out earlier it cost way more cheaper they are practically the same but the graphics from Ps3 is gonna be a piece of shit compared to Xbox360.. and besides look at the contoller of the Ps3. lmao sumone can use that shit as a dildo or sumthing man… man i wouldnt waste my time with ps3.. cuz Xbox 360 is gonna own ps2

Dude More ppl play xbox live more than ps2 online and the ps’ systems they are good for 1 player games but who the hell plays by them self???.. xbox is a multyplayer game who likes to play with sum friends online or friends from a neighbor hood?? i rather do that.. so ppl save up ur money for Xbox 360 …

EVERYONE CALM DOWN!!!! The one thing we can all agree on is that the PS3 controllers are absolutely ridiculous, I MEAN WTF?? a boomerang? come on SONY you can do better. The reason PS2 is better then Xbox is solely the controllers… duh who cares about the hardware or the software that’s a far second to comfort. Thank god the PS3 controllers are wireless, I can’t hang myself with the cord after my hands cramp up from the pain. PS3 GAY! XBOX360 GAY! Am I the only one not impressed here? Ooo yeah and no one knows what the hell their talking about. Agreed?

As I saw many ads for the xbox360 vs the ps3, curiosity got to me so I decided to search it and I ended up here. It was quite interesting reading peoples’ thoughts on their preferred console. One thing that got to me though was that people like cloud01 were writing paragraphs about the ps3. How could you write so much and be so confident to know about it when it is not going to even be out for another year. You sound like you have the system in your house already. A year is a long time away and the sky’s the limit on what can be changed so don’t think that these specs are set in stone. Maybe Sony is hyping the ps3 way too much for their fans and might not live up to what they say, nobody knows. When I read these arguments they are getting nowhere, both consoles are winners in this case. The Xbox is better equipped to squeeze out the most performance due to far higher memory bandwidth but the ps3 out did Microsoft on the floating point operations which are often thought to be one good measure of a system’s performance in real world applications. Also, I noticed that the 360 is going to be considerably cheaper but the ps3 will have added features such as Bluetooth and blu-ray capabilities. I won’t even get into the CPUs because it is just too debatable but personally I think the Xbox would perform better in a gaming environment. The list can go on and on, but it all comes down to whether you like Sony or Microsoft better and the experiences you’ve had with the systems in the past. Cloud01, how in the world could you compare Halo to any other game? You have to realize that Halo was a revolutionary game in multiplayer that was addicting whether you liked it or not. I mean what other game like halo has tournaments all across the nation or parties based on the game where there are 4 xboxes hooked up all over the house in the biggest multiplayer experience ever (haven’t personally experienced it but would like to). And besides if you want to bring up facts, do you see Socom with a Game of the Year logo on it? I don’t think so. So hopefully you were just speaking for yourself. I can safely say that Playstation does have better graphics than Xbox but I wouldn’t go far as to say it is superior Cloud01. I think you are the one that might be getting the false info from Sony. I don’t know, maybe you say those things to yourself just so you can sleep better at night. So, with an open mind I’d have to say this would be a toss up, but with a closed mind I would have to say GO XBOX!!!!

yeh i mean who cares about if the thing holds 5000000000 gbs of hardrive i don’t care i mean you guys are taking this as if it is the end of the world settle down lets just have a vote to see who likes ps3 better or xbox 360

If you like xbox 360 submit the number 1 if you like ps3 submit the number 2 and ill count em all up and no voting twice

dude are u guys blind or something? i was just proving my point to that other dumb xbox danboy that thinks xbox and its one franchise game can go against ps2 and all its franchise games. yes i proved my point that there is a game on the ps2 that is better then halo and destroyed it in almost every way, sales, funner game, no online but still funner then halo, and yes won a couple game of the year for ps2. what about halo? did it win any best games of the year? i dont think so so shut the hell up. and remember when EA was only for ps2 and nintendo and Xbox had ESPN Football? who got sports game of the year like 2 or 3 years in a row? yes madden football for ps2. ok what is next, oh and u were talking about socom sux, how bout u go online and check and i bet they have more people still playing the old socom game online then there is playing halo 2 u idiot and yes i played halo 1 and 2 and i still think socom is a way better game.
u guys prolly dont no shit about unreal engine 3 because even after what the creator of that engine said that epic is gonna be able to kick some major ass with the ps3 and have graphics like killzone 2 easily done on the ps3, u still cant seem to let it through your fat ass head that sony is gonna own this next generation aswell, hate it or dont believe it but your just gonna have to live with sony leading the way while xbox is still trying to catchup, come on man u really think they are gonna attract a billion users? ROFLMAO, pc has been trying to achieve this for so long and u think microsoft is going to have a better chance? dont kid yourself, and with a crappy press conference they had and even having people in there press conference tell the camera man that sony is gonna kick microsofts ass, u better believe that sony has alot of loyal fans out there that are gonna wait till next spring to buy the ps3 not only because sony has the strongest system but because they also have the franchise games people want and tons and tons of more games to come with it and u wanna know why microsoft wont be able to bring the hardcore gamers such as i am to buy an xbox 360, ill tell u right now, because the games xbox has to offer are too easy to beat and is not a challenge, like when ninja gaiden came out for the xbox, i was watching G4 TV and they had a show with tina and that other chick and some guy as a host and they were talking about how so many people that bought ninja gaiden said it was too hard and i was just sitting there laughing because thats all u xbox fanboys do is cry about how hard it is and how u couldnt pass a certain level, man shut the hell up and play the damn game, thats why the creator of ninja gaiden said he was kinda dissapointed in xbox fans because he thought they would love it even more because of the challenge it was too so many xbox gamers, well i played ninja gaiden my first time on very hard and had to adjust to his moves and his combos for the first 2 hours but after learning the counter attack move it was a breeze the rest of the way, but i gotta say that it was fun playing it 4 times and finaly getting all those golden things to unlock the old ninja gaiden games. u think that game was hard, u should try devil may cry 3, that game is just fuckin awsome and so intense with so much more combos and different styles, just makes u love the game even more after beating the game and unlocking even harder modes. i gotta admit that was prolly the hardest game i ever played but still was able to beat it, because in my head i figured if they made this mode this hard, theres gotta be a way to beat it no matter how hard the challenge is. and believe me legendary on halo is like picking flowers then the mode i was playing devil may cry 3 on. if u have the game and the courage try playing Devil May Cry 3 on Dante Must Die Mode: New Game

There can be no denial that SONY will win. Its just a question how many consoles it will sell out Microsoft. I think it will be
100,000,000 consoles until 2010 for Sony and 40,000,000 for Microsoft and for Nintendo 40,000,000 consoles sold. :)

PS3 will have the best hardware/technology/online/capabilities…………..best games/software/emulators/………………………….
best hits, game of the years, blockbusters, developers………….
M$ will have small income, Nintendo average and Sony the best income $$$ of the consoles.

PS3

GPU

Custom “RSX” design co-developed by Nvidia and Sony:
Clocked at 550 MHz
1.8 TFLOPS floating point performance
Full high definition output (up to 1080p) x 2 channels
Multi-way programmable parallel floating point shader pipelines
300.4 million transistors
136 shader operations per cycle
100 billion shader operations per second
51 billion dot products per second (When combined with CPU power.)
128-bit pixel precision

and a pikle

Memory
256 MiB Samsung XDR DRAM clocked at CPU die speed (3.2 GHz)
256 MiB GDDR-3 VRAM clocked at 700 MHz

Storage
Blu-ray Disc: PlayStation 3 BD-ROM, BD-Video, BD-ROM, BD-R, BD-RE
DVD: PlayStation 2 DVD-ROM, PlayStation 3 DVD-ROM, DVD-Video, DVD-ROM, DVD-R, DVD-RW, DVD+R, DVD+RW
CD: PlayStation CD-ROM, PlayStation 2 CD-ROM, CD-DA, CD-DA (ROM), CD-R, CD-RW, SACD, SACD Hybrid (CD layer) SACD HD, DualDisc, DualDisc (audio side), DualDisc (DVD side)
Memory Stick standard/Duo and standard/mini slots
CompactFlash Type I and II slot
SD slot
Detachable 2.5″ hard drive slot (capacity not confirmed yet)

CPU

Cell processor:
PowerPC based core (PPU) clocked at 3.2 GHz
1 VMX (IBM’s branding for AltiVec) vector unit for the PowerPC core
512 KiB L2 cache
7 Synergistic Processing Elements or SPEs are programmable vector processor units clocked at 3.2 GHz each (there are eight on the chip, but one kept unused for redundancy, leaving seven usable)
7 256 KiB SRAM caches for the SPEs
7 128×128 SIMD general purpose register files
(1 reserve SPE)

ok Cloud you are quite possibly the dumbest person ever. if you look at the cover to any Halo game then you will see that it won 4 Game of the Year awards and this whole one game franchise you are wrong because Square Enix has joined the Microsoft Franchise with full support of the Final Fantasy series. So stick that in your pipe you loser. Do you have any Idea how many people play Halo 2 there are more than 1 million users playing daily. Also your precious Devil May Cry 3 is good and I like it but it is a 3rd person game not an FPS, if you like a certain game style stick with it you moron. And your comment on PS3 being better than Xbox 360 in every way including online you are sadly mistaken. The time you take to realize that Xbox Live is way better than whatever PS online is called is enough time for me to sleep away the days, you will never accept the fact that it is better. And if you need to know who gave those 4 GOTY Awards they are as follows.

IGN.com
Electronic Gaming Monthly
Official Xbox Magazine
AIAS

You have some serious fantasies about pounding your ps2 in the port don’t you? The number of Halo games sold more than makes up for the number of ps2’s sold.

cloud01, maybe your right,maybe gta sold more than halo or watever but wat bout when you pass that crap? wat then its done when in halo and halo 2 you can compete in multiplayer and by the way that gta game is coming out on xbox, i dont see halo on ps2 do you?

thas right cloud01 xbox has gotten just about every hit game that has come out on ps2 including your precious gta titles.hahahah………your dumb dude just go and play gta or just go buy the better version for the better system.

lmao ya man GTA comes out for XBOX JUNE 7 Halo2 aint gonnna come out for Ps2.. Ps2 is a single player console gaming device.. but who likes to play by them self???. xbox is a single/multiplayer game who likes to play by them self or with other ppl online eh eh?? GTA looks good but what if u beat it?? whats gonna happen now?? u got no where to go or do…. Halo2 u can beat it too but where can u go?? u can play online for ever.. the only reason ps2 sold more consoles is becuase it came out like a year before xbox… if they came out the same year with the same games there wouldnt be a competition thats y ps2 came out earlier than xbox

cloud01, just shut up and go sell that ps2 and get urself a real system. With real games an by the way killzone a.k.a”the halo killer”..lol sucked!….that game didnt even get close to halo….lol thats pretty lame man. So anyone here gonna get the new maps so you can download em into the xbox and play halo 2! hahahaha can the ps2 do that?

“Stop whining!” as Arnold would say. ;-) But anyway, you guys are silly. The systems haven’t even come out yet. How can you say “the Xbox360 is more powerful than the PS3″ and vice versa? Because it’s obvious: you guys are fanboys of your personal likings. How about the games you guys? Who gives a flying f**k about how POWERFUL the system is? The graphics will almost be non-disguishable during this next-generation. And really, stop with the stupid Halo vs. Killzone. There’s no comparison. Halo is a great FPS; but guess what? There are NUMEROUS amounts of great FPS games out there for PC. Half-Life 2 anyone? Let’s hope it comes out great on the Xbox. But then again, it will ALWAYS look better on the PC. Since I’m getting a little sidetracked here, let’s go back to the “Xbox360 vs. PS3″ topic.

Screw the specs, and I like Nintendo’s philosophy about them not releasing “numbers crunched on a calculator.” And that’s what Nintendo is great about: being honest and making excellent GAMES. That’s what it’s all about, GAMES. I’m getting ALL of the next-gen systems. If you ARE a TRUE gamer, then you’d understand that you want the great games and stop comparing them to OTHER games on different platforms. Losers. :-P

If you want to whine so much, then go to this forum, where the geeks know what they’re talking about, and are CROSS-PLATFORM gamers (you know, PC, Mac, PS2, GC, Xbox, etc)…

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=129088

hmhmhm…..anyways..back to xbox360 vs ps3.

PS3 will kick Xbox360 in the nuts ! :)

lol…………….thas cute there devilhope but i think its the other way around man. No offense to anybody its just an opinion aight.

no dice this doesn’t matter lets just enjoy the great consoles of the next generation

Why do people think great graphics will make Killzone 2 better than Halo 3? The graphics won’t matter if the game is bad.

johnnieblue on the role…”The graphics won’t matter if the game is bad”. Exactly my point. But HOPEFULLY Killzone 2 will be good, or GREAT. Halo 3, in fact, will be good or great. The next generation will provide us with excellent titles indeed…

exactly so now can we all just get along damit both consoles will be great there. We all can just fill ourselves with new info as soon as one of us gets it aight? kool.